
If there was one band that the guys and gals during my high school years all agreed on, it was Van Halen. They were THE party band in high school: we dudes marveled at the pyrotechnic guitar wizardry of Eddie Van Halen, the gals fawned all over David Lee Roth, and we all loved the songs. Myself, I was nuts for the first five albums… and then… the clown show took over.
I know, I know, I’m in the minority but I was totally cool when the band and Roth went splitsville and the Red Rocker Sammy Hagar came on board. Sure, Roth was a great frontman for the band and brought tons and fun and swagger but at some point the focus was more on him (blame MTV and the media) and less on the rest of the band, which was the draw for me. Plus, something about the 1984 album started moving the band in a slightly more commercial direction and away from the all out guitar centered assault from past albums. While those rockers were still there, the prominence of keyboards was adding a different shade to the VH palette as Edward was branching out into newer territory. It felt as if he needed a new creative foil to bounce ideas off of and Sammy Hagar was that man. As for Roth, he was now in total control and free to pull together a hot shot band of hired guns to do his bidding.
Enough of the history lesson… what about the resulting albums from VH with Hagar and Roth as solo artist? March 1986 was when 5150 was dropped on the public, headed up by debut single “Why Can’t This Be Love” which was about as far removed from anything previously released by Van Halen or Sammy himself. While I admit it wasn’t quite what I was expecting, the song was catchy and certainly “feel good” and was a decent teaser for the album. But when the album dropped I was jazzed… finally new Van Halen! But… a different beast altogether and one that was a bit shocking but still totally cool. Opener “Good Enough” was a great blend of styles and an excellent showcase for what the new band could do- Sammy in full throated roar and the band rocking hard; “Dreams” a dead on classic with a positive lyric and fab chorus; “Best Of Both Worlds” and the title cut examples of great EVH riffs with an early days swagger; and “Love Walks In” a vocal showcase for Hagar and part of that new creative direction the band was heading in. Toss in the humorous “Inside” to show off the new band of brothers vibe on top of a handful of other cool ditties and the new VH (or “Van Hagar”, as some called them) was ready to take on the world. I caught the band on tour at this time and it was a fantastic show- these guys were having a blast on stage and their chemistry and on stage banter was infectious. To this day, one of my all time favorite concert experiences.
So… how did Roth answer? With a damn good album himself. Always the showboat, the Diamond One pulled out all the stops with debut single “Yankee Rose” and its hilarious video (something that VH shied away from for 5150) featuring Roth as voodoo shaman needing “a bottle of anything and a glazed donut… TO GOOO!” Interestingly enough, I didn’t quite mind the Roth antics as a solo artist- he DID make some entertaining videos and it certainly was all about him but hey, this time it was HIS band. And what a band! Steve Vai on guitar and Billy Sheehan on bass were a pyrotechnic tag team, featuring lots of flash and incendiary playing on songs like “Shy Boy” and its buzzsaw unison lines; “Bump & Grind”‘s sexy swagger; “Tobacco Road”‘s raunch ‘n roll; and the “talking guitar” featured on “Yankee Rose”. Still, Roth was able to express his creativity with this band as well- everything from Sinatra cool on “That’s Life” to the swinging “Ladies Night In Buffalo” to the sun ‘n fun of “Goin’ Crazy”. Eat ‘Em And Smile took the party blueprint from Roth’s former band, cranked it to eleven, and still took it a notch higher courtesy of dual flamethrowers in Vai and Sheehan. A fun, fun album.
So who is the winner? Whew… tough call. There is something about 5150 that is unique and is a great example of how two separate artists can play to their strengths and create a piece of work that can stand on its own. One drawback for this album is that it sounds a little dated due to the Simmons electronic drums that Alex Van Halen included in his kit, but it’s not a huge knock. Still, a lot of great, well crafted rock music with classic Hagar melodies that still sounds great today. As for Eat ‘Em And Smile, the songs and performances are strong and play well to the strengths of each musician on the disc. However, it seems that Roth’s main goal here was to keep the party hearty element alive and not stretch the boundaries too far (that would come with next album Skyscraper) from what made him famous in the first place. The songs (originals and covers) fit his voice to a tee and he let the band do their thing to excellent results.
For creativity and memorable songs… the winner is 5150. For serious ass kicking and overall vibe… the winner is ‘Eat Em And Smile. And the one that I play most today and is the winner of this showdown (by a nose, I must add) is Eat ‘Em And Smile.


Yeah, tough call, but I’ll go with 5150 on better songs alone, though Eat is more entertaining if you can handle Dave’s shtick for 40+minutes – not hard to do, IMO, with Vai always blistering the soundscape with his inventiveness.
Plus, I have a soft spot for 5150 based on the fact that it was my first BIG rock concert I ever attended (or was it KISS/WASP both at the Gardens).
Even so, I also have a hard spot – if there is such a phrase – for 5150 because of the super wimpy sounding 80s synthesizers. Both on the guitars and drums, this almost singlehandedly ruined hard rock for me at the time. This album started the horrific trend, then Iron Maiden’s Somewhere in Time, Judas Priest’s Turbo Lover, etc only made it near unforgivably worse by allowing it to ooze into metal! UGH!! To this day, I’d love to hear those albums rerecorded without the synthesizer effects. I can listen now and just laugh it off, but it’s always taken away from my enjoyment of those records. Even Stranger in a Strange Land, masterful as it is, greatly suffers from the guitar synthesized effect, hence, keeping it from my top 5 fave Maiden albums. I know you disagree, but that’s how much I hate synthesizers in hard rock music – unless it’s used strictly in a separate keyboard sense. Just NOT on the guitars and drums!!!
And it is all Edward Van Halen’s fault!!😄
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Great points, although interestingly enough I don’t mind the synths on 5150 and I think it’s down to the songs and the newness factor of the band. Didn’t mind them too much on 1984 (I still love “Jump” and still dislike “I’ll Wait”), but I get what you are saying. As for the impact to Maiden and Priest… I think it seriously hurt Priest but they were writing poppier songs at the time and were more image conscious. For Maiden, it added a different color at the time but now leaves me a little cold and sounds a little dated (dropping it out of my personal Maiden top five as well). I think they peeled it back a little for Seventh Son to much greater effect.
As for blame? Pin that one on Billy Gibbons!
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Yeah, good point about Gibbons! And we know how much EVH loves him, so yeah, I’m sure that was a big part of his thinking. Forgot all about that….
Anyway, yeah, 7th Son isn’t nearly as jarring as Somewhere In Time, but that might be because I’d gotten used to the sound, and, let’s face it, the songs as a whole are much better.
Come to think of it, I listened to both 5150 yesterday AND Eat ‘Em and Smile, and I have to say, moving forward, I’ll change my tune and would probably rather listen to Eat if I had to choose. It’s just more….Van Halen than Van Halen, haha! Dave still has the vocal chops (studio ones anyway), and he was smart enough to hire as good a band as you could find at the time and stick to the patented VH formula. Give him a lot of credit for really understanding where his bread was buttered and not trying to just get by on his new lounge lizard persona. It really is a cool album, mostly because I can’t really think of anything that sounds like it other than the first 5 VH records.
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Eat Em>>>5150
OU812>>>Skyscraper
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Yep, I’d agree with that.
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Same here.
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This approaches Sophie’s Choice tier, As the saying goes it’s apples and porages ( omg apple porage /drool) If I’m being as objective as possible 5150 is the better over all as it has a consistency throughout that most rock types (myself included) appreciate. For instance after hearing Dave’s cover of That’s Life the record became a 9 tracker for me.
Conversely Ladies Night in Buffalo is my personal favorite out of the sum of both albums and hold up as one if my favorite rock songs ever. So I guess for me 5150 is the better record but I’d rather listen to Eat Em and Smile.
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Hey (Top) Jimmy! Yeah, pretty similar to how I look at it as well. Two great but totally different records.
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I wrote Ladies Night in Buffalo but I meant Big Trouble!
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